Anytime you play a cross-town team, people like to consider it a rivalry. We tell our kids to be competitive. If we lose 5-0, we have a lot to work on. If we lose by a smaller margin or pull off a win, we know we're doing well. (Playing UPS) is a great measuring stick.

Everybody who plays UPS thinks (it is) the No. 1 team in the conference until someone knocks them off. They've had the success so they know how to win the big games.

We approached (PLU athletic director Laurie Turner) about it and she was for it. It's good for each of our programs.